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MONON Activity Post Merger => Post Merger Equipment other than L&N & CSX => Topic started by: Joe Land on July 06, 2012, 02:07:18 pm
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X- Monon NW2#14 Joliett,IL. 11-15-82
Lloyd Kimble collection, photographer unknown
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Joe,
I've done a lot of research on EJ&E #446 and it was not entirely rebuilt from Monon #14, but was a combination of several NW2 locomotives. Some folks say that #446 didn't have the frame from #14 and therefore could not be considered #14 at all.
George L.
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Guess I'll rename the photo "Parts of X- Monon #14" ---LOL---
Darn good photo of EJ&E #446 anyway.
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It was certainly not uncommon for locomotive componts to be mixed during the locomotive rebuild process. However, the fact remains that in EJ&E locomotive records and on EJ&E locomotive diagrams, EJ&E 446 was considered to be ex Monon #14 and carried that locomotive's serial number and build date. Consequently, wether whole or in part, for all identification purposes, it was ex Monon #14. The EJ&E purchased the engine from Industrial Maint. Service on 3/26/71.
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If memory serves me correct, several years ago the Society had a chance at this loco from a scrapper, but on investigation it was determined nothing original Monon survived. Besides it was deep in the heart of Texas and the Society was poor..LOL
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You are correct, Tom.
When it was proposed that the Society pursue buying #446, someone brought up the fact that the serial number on the #446 frame was not the one from #14.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
George L.
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George Washington's axe has had the head replaced twice and the handle three times,
but it is still Washington'ss axe------
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Good point, Gene.
I'm not sure who made up the rule that states "The serial number on the frame determines the heritage of the locomotive".
The plan was to scrap #446 if The Monon Society was not going to buy it. BTW, at the time it was offered to us, it didn't have any trucks! Another expense added to the cost of shipping it.
George L.
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The frame number tracking was a favorite tool of Don Dover at X2200 South. Once the builder's number was lost then everyone wanted some means to identify the rebuilt ICG locomotives, the frame number became that tool. When the IGC rebuild program was in full bloom, Gary and I spent many hours recording frame numbers at Paducah. As the ICG expanded the program and bought locomotive "cores" from where ever they could find them, the components became so mixed that in fact the rebuild was in effect a "new" different locomotive.
The frame number was a production/inventory control tool for EMD when the locomotives were being built. The same number appeared on the long and short hoods the cabs and most likily other componets. In the end however, it was the builder's number that identified the specific locomotive.
If you have a basically as built EMD locomotive with the builder's plate missing, the frame number can be a useful tool for identification.
So while the use of the frame number tracking is of some value, if you have an ICG GP-10 with a C&O frame number, a UP powerplant, ATSF traction motors, NYC main generator,the long hood from B&O unit and a short hood from NH with a cab from QNS&L, you do have a locomotive for sure but it's a stretch to say it was any specific locomotive.
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I've done some additional research into the EJ&E #446 and found that there may have been two or three different locomotives with the same number. The first photo (brown version) , dates back to 1983. The second photo (green version) is dated 2004 and the third photo (yellow version) is dated 2008.
Unless there were some serious modifications made to the 1983 version locomotive, the 2004 and the 2008 locomotives are probably a different engine.
Any ideas?
George L.
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EJ&E 446 in the Brown paint scheme is an EMD NW-2, the former Monon engine. The EJ&E 446 painted in the Grren or Yellow shemes is an EMD SW-1001 orginally built as Lake Terminal 1021 in 10/68.
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Thanks, Steve. That clears that up.
George L.
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Was Lake Terminal as US Steel railroad?