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Ron Simunic

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weathering
« on: October 30, 2012, 11:54:12 am »
Lets see if this the right forum to do this.  I just finished weathering a dozen MONON hoppers with a chalk mix.  I applied a coating of Testers Dullcoat.  The result was a frosty or a glazing on donuts.  The can of testers was old, it disolved the chalk and left the hopper glazed not clear.  Help.  This could be a great forum, as the knowledge of modelers is impressive.  Please remember some of us are novices but are willing to learn and try new things to improvve our layouts.  Thanks, in advance. Ron S.

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Re: weathering
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 12:21:30 pm »
I suspect that the coating of Dullcoat was too direct and too heavy. You just want a light distant coat  of the Dullcoat to "seat" the chalk. The link below has a nice write up on weathering with chalk.

http://modeltrains.about.com/od/modelrailroadtrains/ss/weatheringwithchalks.htm

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 12:43:56 pm »
Ron, I've had the same thing happen to me when using Dullcoat.  Many MRR's have--there's been quite a bit written about it.  I think you may be right about the problem being the result of long shelf life.  Trouble is, even when buying it "new", you have no way of knowing how long ago the clear paint was manufactured.  I've also read that the humidity when you were spraying might be a factor, as well as the type of paint already on the car--another thing you can't know. 

The "dissolving" of the chalks is common when using any clear fixative, BTW.  You just have to apply more chalk and repeat.

Unfortunately, I don't know of any way to get rid of the "frosting".  If you'd painted boxcars or covered hoppers, they might still look good frosted (i.e., "dusty").  But sure not open, coal hoppers.  Try applying more dark chalk over the "frost", then use another clear fixative.  It'll be heavy weathering, but maybe it'll look okay.

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Re: weathering
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 02:32:54 pm »
Good suggestions here, Ron.  Another trick that I've used is to apply paint thinner or turpentine over the dullcoat.  Try it on a small spot: it should remove the frost.

I dont use any fixative over chalks anymore: they just wipe out the chalk!  I have switched to weathering powders, such as Bragdon's, on my models that will be handled.  They have a binder in them that grips without the use of a sealer.

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Re: weathering
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 03:59:33 pm »
That is why I went more with airbrush weathering and washes. I also had that sort of problems with Dullcoat. Of course it has been a long time since I have actually modeled and weathered a car.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 05:26:08 pm »
Have any of you tried the Pastoil oil based chalks for weathering?  / Ron

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 06:39:08 pm »
Ron, If you mean oil pencils, yes I have.  I tend to be impatient, so lean toward oil paint washes and an airbrush, like Tom.  I do the finer detailing with weathering powders.  It's all what your comfortable with, I guess.

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Re: weathering
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2012, 11:30:36 am »
I use Doc O'Brien's weathering powders from Micro Mark using weathering brushes also from Micro Mark

I dump small amounts of different colors in a shoe box. As I brush the color on, the residue mixes with the new and makes a new shade which at times is more realistic that the new stuff.

Most of the time I use dilute dull coat applied with a cheap Harbor Freight air brush

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If the weathering gets too heavy, it may be time to patch in re-weigh or re-pack data or a clean car # thanks to a thoughtful car knocker

Ron Simunic

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2012, 03:34:21 pm »
Gene and others. Thanks for the response.  I've reweathered them over the frosty look. They are okay.  After a trip to Hobby Lobby and Michaels with my discount coupons I will hit them with a Light coat of testors.  My projects for the winter are to do the Hometown freight building. And to complete Clear Creek Station.  I will take pictures as I go and when I learn how to submit them they will be posted. Looking forward to seeing the groups progress after the holidays. Thanks Ron S.

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Re: weathering
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2012, 07:01:44 am »
Ron

I think there is a need for a "posting pictures on the MONON board for dummies" book.

I think there are several of who have photos we would like to share, but don't know how to do so.

I apparently have not reached cave man status yet.


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Re: weathering
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2012, 07:18:17 am »
Gene, I agree. Might be fun to see how the novice layouts look. Might be an encouragement to others.

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Re: weathering
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2012, 11:23:52 am »
I'm not Ron, but I will jot down steps to post photos and start a new thread in this category.
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