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Ron Marquardt

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Flying The Irish
« on: March 01, 2012, 07:35:47 pm »
I don't know where this picture came from, so  if I step on anyone's toes by not giving credits, I apologize, but it was such a great picture I had to share it.  Engine 407 leaving McDoel "Flying The Irish".   ;)  / Ron

Geof Burns

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Re: Flying The Irish
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2012, 07:52:03 pm »
Ron - I am not familiar with that phrase. What does it mean?
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Ron Marquardt

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Re: Flying The Irish
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2012, 09:02:50 pm »
Green Flags my boy, Green Flags.  Those flags indicate that another section is following this train.  Probably 1st. 73 with another coming behind.  / Ron

Robert Wheeler

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Re: Flying The Irish
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 05:50:36 pm »
Maybe this should be in "Operations"

Dumb(?) questin:
Why did they run sections of Second Class trains particularly in the inferior (southward) direction?

I'm guessing that they would take aboout the same number of train orders as an extra.

I can understand for those in superior diection (or #71 -Superior by timetable note). Those trains would normaly hold the main at  meets without the need to mention it in a train order.

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Rick Dreistadt

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Re: Flying The Irish
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 07:18:43 pm »
It was much easier and safer to run an extra train as a section rather than as an extra, especially with extra's(Locals) and work extra's(stone trains and m of w trains) on the road also.
As for superior trains such as No. 71 "normally holding the main on meets", as Ron explained in another thread, nothing in railroading was normal.  Many thoughts went into dispatchers thinking about which train would hold the main besides which train was superior by timetable direction.  No. 70 and 71 meeting at Ames is a good example.  No. 71 would almost always be instructed to take siding because the operator would head 71 into the siding and the south switch was a spring switch so No. 71 could pull through the siding without ever stopping, provided No. 70 was already there.  Especially at night with few operators working, the dispatcher had to set the meets up well in advance.  Sometimes one train would have to stop for a problem or red signal at an interlocking causing a train which was suppose to hold the main on a meet to arrive at the siding first.  Occasionally that train would converse with the other and pull into the siding.  The dispatcher wouldn't necessarily know of it.    Also, even though No. 5 and 6 were first class trains many times the dispatcher had them take siding on meets.  And the dispatcher could run a freight train on No. 5 and 6's schedule if he wished.       Rick

Ron Marquardt

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Re: Flying The Irish
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2012, 07:50:35 pm »
Another point to consider Bob, is that unless a siding would hold the entire freight train, or the freight was well ahead of the passenger, it was quicker to head the passenger train in and let the freight roll on by.  If the freight was longer than the siding, then the freight would have to saw the passenger train, and that wasted time for both trains.  / Ron

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Re: Flying The Irish
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2012, 04:48:36 pm »
Thanks Rick & Ron.
That's why I said "Dumb question" at the beginning.

I well knew about changing the superiority due to the following observed over on the Big-4 while I was down at the depot these three or so summers in my highschool days.
For some reason or other the NYC never had #3 noted as superior (it was in the inferior, westward direction).
Daily the following order was put out:
Order # two hundred something to Kankakee, Sheldon and Lafayette:
No 416 Eng 5380 take siding on east passing track Sheldon and meet No 3 Engine 5413
/S/ TWE

The engine numbers are possible as they were both "J" Class Hudsons that operated on that district.
The employees occasionally called #3 "The Riley" in non-official conversations but never called #416 The Cincinnati Special, only four-sixteen. TWE was Superintendant TW English.
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